Does KDM work in a real fight?

[BirdieKing]

http://allensteen.com/images/BlackBeltMagnif7.jpg

hehe, that Black Belt article. "Dirty Dozen" indeed. Ahh, those are such fun times for martial arts. I love that picture of them....reminds me of another deadly crew of martial artists....

http://geek.ology.com/files/2010/01/zyurangers.jpg

[The Lefty]

hehe, that Black Belt article. "Dirty Dozen" indeed. Ahh, those are such fun times for martial arts. I love that picture of them....reminds me of another deadly crew of martial artists....

Thanks for adding the link Sir!

[BirdieKing]

hehe, that Black Belt article. "Dirty Dozen" indeed. Ahh, those are such fun times for martial arts. I love that picture of them....reminds me of another deadly crew of martial artists....

Thanks for adding the link Sir!

NP...here is the link to the whole article...

http://books.google.com/books?id=-s8DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=black+belt+magazine+dirty+dozen+roger+carpenter&source=bl&ots=y6AnO2lmDh&sig=om6Q-OZmaRTkRCwIl32wfDQMa_w&hl=en&ei=4pxrS-TnO5CutQO2s9WoBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

[cuts and bruises]

Now Sir, Sgt Alley wasnt half as bad as Sgt Rocha but I still HATED the Martial Art's in the Marine Corps. I got more training at the Orleans house (bar) than anywhere.




Respects,

Oh no kidding!! What a vile little (sub?)human he was! I can only hope that karma firmly affixed her teeth to his nether regions!

[gabe]

Kuntawman,

Your posts are wandering into rant territory, and I'm having trouble understanding your point. Are you saying that the only legitimate way to test an art is to get into a real fight? Or are you offering an alternative training method with less risk of injury? If so, what superior training method are you recommending?

[Maverick]

there are police who fight every day. each police officer does not fight every day. and when they do fight, it is not the same kind of fight non-LEO/military/whatever have to fight.

yes i know what goes on, a lot more than you realize. so again, do not insult our intelligence by trying to make people believe being a cop or military is qualifying that you know how to fight with your hands like the average citizen needs his skills to be. a big reason for this, police and prison guards almost never have to fight while alone. police officers can - no are supposed to go to the gun when they life is in danger. they dont have the same issues a man on the street has. and military? please, most people in the military qualify with a gun once a year, and a very small number of them ever see an enemy, and the ones who do, do not fight them with there hands.

some of you guys are taking my statements too personal, which is what happens to martial artists. they cannot disagree without getting pissed off. nothing i said here is offensive to police, military or correction. i know plenty, even my wife is one, and they will tell you that if you are fighting a lot with your hands, something is wrong. if you put a man in coffs is not like stopping a guy who is trying to take your wallet.

the closest professional to a streetfight? club security, and thats not even the same.

Kuntawman,

Sir, I am a law enforcement officer so let me say that an officer getting to his duty weapon when his life is in danger is a best case scenario. As an officer, there are so many factors that come in to play. Before I started my path in Eskrima, I used high school wrestling techniques (that I had learned when in school) to subdue a person that was combative or making an attempt to harm me or a fellow officer. I have been training in the FMA now for about a year and a half. I can honestly tell you that FMA empty hands is the best thing since slide bread from a law enforcement stand point. You had made the statement that law enforcement officers do not have the same issues as a man on the streets has. Do you think officers eat and sleep in our uniforms? Sir, we do have lives outside of work. So on that note, you might see a person or persons that you have arrested or had to deal with in the jail. The point I’m making is we don’t always have our partner right there. Another thing, you said something about an officers being hands on a lot when there was something wrong. Well sir, being hands on is 80 percent of the job, if it be pat downs to placing wrist restraints on a person. Most people I know don’t want to go to jail, so they will fight you just for the hope that you can’t subdue them and they might be free for one more day. I know that FMA empty hands (quote, unquote) “WORKS” from my experiences. Sir, if I sound a little upset that is because I am. Throwing words and ideas around like it don’t work or it is not effective, is offensive to me because eskrima is part of me. I would not tell a Boxer that trains daily and is passionate about what he does that what he does would not work in his sport. Sorry if I come off rude. You talk about finding a way to do eskrima hands as a sport, why? I train in eskrima because if it does come to life or death, I choose life. I don’t need a trophy for making someone tap out or because I have more points than they do at the end of 3 rounds. Don’t get me wrong, I do not want to take anything away from MMA or tournament fighters, they are good at what they do and I have a lot of fun watching the sport.

Sir, I will be in California in May and I would be more than happy to be proven wrong and shown that FMA empty hands do not work. Let me know. Sorry if I have offended anyone, this is how I feel.

Respects,

[Tagadagat]

Ooooh, I wilI would happily donate a small amount money to watch some video of this epic encounter, should someone wish to video it. It will definitely help with the whole proof issue if its on tape for all to see.

[BirdieKing]

Yeah, I'll send money for the tape and shipping.

[Ronin]

I woke up this morning thinking why would Guro Maurice Gatdula (thekuntawman) even want to accept a hand to hand fight challenge if he doesn't believe KDM would be successful? If he wins, he proves himself wrong.

[Ronin]

Wait a minute... is this one of those "contest" where i say "let's see who can hit the lightest.... you go first" ?

[cuts and bruises]

This guy just won't give up! I admire his tenacity, however misguided and/or misinformed I feel him to be. The man is like a pit-bull with a pork chop!

[Humbled Warrior]

[The Lefty]

By the way, I will be in California in May in case you want to hook up and chat about this in person.

I still want to know why he hasn’t replied to this and he said he would contact Inayan schools but I haven’t heard from this guy.

[Tagadagat]

I think he was talking about Californian Inayan Schools, as he is located in California. I should think there are a number of Inayans in California who could defend the reputation of their art in person, and as with the other challenger, if anyone does decide to challenge, I would happily pay for some footage of this event. ;-)

Just a quick addition, I was wonderin if there was a post I'm missin from Kuntawman, because I havent noticed anything new from him since the 4th, but there has been a steady roll of posts replying to him, is there a post I am missing, or is all the commentary still being generated from his last post?

[thekuntawman]

gabe, i am not saying the only way to test is a real fight. of course that dont make sense. but the martial artist must fight with other people he does not know, to test and develop his art. you can drill and simulate all you want, and you can even spar with classmates, but there is a lot of skills you will not get until you mix it up with somebody. now, if you can get into fights 5 - 10 times a month without going to jail, then yes, that would be a good idea. but if not, sparring/tournaments/whatever you call it, is the next best thing. but you need strangers to fight with, whatever the rules are.

the "superior fighting method" i have? is for my students only. there is some parts of it i will share, and they are on my blog and in my books. but each martial artists has a "superior method", or suppose to have one. and the only way to prove its superior is when one guy says, "i dont think so", and then you check to see if your right.

maverick, sure, your welcome to come down. i am in my school every day, just let me know when you like to meet.

ronin, i dont understand your question. i dont do kadena de mano. but what i talk about in my blog is the method of training that not just you do, but most FMA people do, for their FMA emtpy hands. and as always, there is only one way to prove me right or wrong. or you could just ignore me and dont prove it at all. but the FMAs have too much of that anyway here in the US. if my questions offend so much, they shouldn't. go to the philippines, and you will see how people there "doubted" you. its much more ruder than I am, and more embarassing. the martial artist who says, i dont think your art is better than mine is not a disrespectful thing. it is how the filipino arts get developed and how the teachers builted their reputations. this is what your grandmaster angel cabales did when he met manong leo giron. they had a contest between them, a couple of them, if i remember right, to see who was better.

and it wont no dog brothers style of fight either. it might of been, a "light contact, let me hit first" kind of match" that you laught at so much. two masters, even the ones who dont like each other, stil fight with respect even if the words are strong and feelings got hurt. this kind of thing is not one of disrespect its the custom of martial artists.